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Problems with my own tags

osloann says:

I was searching for the word ramsløk (wild garlic in Norwegian) among my own photos, and nothing showed up. OK, I have forgotten to tag my photos, I thought, but did try allium instead. And all my ramsløl-photos showed up, and tagged with 'ramsløk'.
I have not had any problems with the specific Norwegian letters æ, ø and å earlier, but is this a case for that?
Any ideas why they don't show up? The photos are old.
Posted at 12:46AM, 3 April 2021 PDT ( permalink | reply )

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mcnod says:

osloann:

I have not had any problems with the specific Norwegian letters æ, ø and å earlier, but is this a case for that?
Any ideas why they don't show up? The photos are old.

There is a rather consuming history of similar search failures:
www.flickr.com/search/forum/?lang=en-us&q=non+standar...

If I search your page for ramsløk, I get no returns. If I search for ramsløk from an "old stack" page (like this help forum search box, upper right) I get 86 returns, some are yours.
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink | reply )

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ernstkers says:

osloann:

I was searching for the word ramsløk (wild garlic in Norwegian) among my own photos, and nothing showed up.

I can reproduce that: www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=24742738%40N00&view_al...
But if I change the search from "All" to "Tags", then six photos are found: www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=24742738%40N00&view_al...

Clearly this is not as it should be. Alas this bad behaviour of Flickr with non-ASCII characters is about as old as Flickr itself. mcnod already gave a link with a search for Help topics about it. I believe in the past Flickr did a few attempts to solve it, but failed. It's likely the result of coding mess: not consistent character encoding throughout the whole site.
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink | reply )
ernstkers edited this topic 2 weeks ago.

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mag3737 says:

Adding in to the mix (and perhaps contributing to the difficulty on the programming side) is that I think Flickr's search tries to be permissive about the characters it will match, to accommodate folks (esp. North Americans) whose keyboards don't usually have letters with diacriticals of various kinds. E.g. it tries to allow "ramslok" as a match for "ramsløk" and also "ramslök", etc.

As noted by and , success over the long term has been ... "mixed".
Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink | reply )

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ernstkers says:

mag3737:

I think Flickr's search tries to be permissive about the characters it will match, to accommodate folks (esp. North Americans) whose keyboards don't usually have letters with diacriticals of various kinds.

No. Or not only that. It isn't about not matching search results only. It already happens with adding tags. When adding a tag with a diacritical using a photo editor (e.g. Apple Photos) and uploading it gives a good chance to give a different tag as when adding the same tag with diacritical with the uploadr. As result the same tag can exist twice in the tags list. An example:
Schermafbeelding 2021-04-03 om 20.36.35
If I click the 6 items link, then I get 6 photos with "Tags" selected and 22 photos with "All" selected. The 6 are also with the 22 and I believe those 6 indeed have both tags.
But if I click the 22 items link, then I get no results with "Tags" selected and again 22 photos with "All" selected. That should not happen as all 22 have it as tag. So here we get something similar as the OP, except the photos show when selected "All" and not when selected "Tag", while for the OP it's the opposite.

If I check the source code of my tags page, then I get this:
Schermafbeelding 2021-04-03 om 20.39.42
As you can see, the 6-items tag is encoded different from the 22-items tag. In one case the ó is encoded as %CC%81 and in the other case as %C3%B3 That's not a matter to get search results matching, that's different encoding of a character based on the input method: as part of the file or as text in the uploadr.

So it's already a mess with the tags as encoded and stored in Flickr's database. And then Flickr messes up further when searching.
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osloann says:

Thank you for your input, people. As long as I know this is an issue I can work around it, but I just hadn't noticed this before.
Posted 10 days ago. ( permalink | reply )

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V.C. Wald says:

I have endless problems searching on any term, which would be something I am 100% sure appears in tags, titles, and descriptions, not turning up my own photos. I've reported it, been assured it's been fixed, and still endure this frustration year after year. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.
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