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Should Explore algorithm ignore pictures of people on railway tracks

lynnb's snaps says:

Explore is great, it provides inspiration to other photographers, but... should other photographers be influenced or inspired to take pictures of people on railway tracks, given the obvious danger?

To understand where I'm coming from, read this short plea from The Online Photographer theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer...

Not sure it's a good idea to publicize something potentially this dangerous. The problem with trains is, people aren't good at assessing the risk. No-one should lose their life on a photography shoot but it keeps happening on railway tracks, even if not that often. Even if a picture was taken in safe circumstances, it still promotes the idea that good photographs can be taken on railway tracks (and yes, they can, but that's not the point).

What do you think?
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Coyoty says:

Photography is about showing, not hiding.
Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )

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cnmark says:

No.
Stupididty & selfiemania kills, simple as that.

If flickr should hide/ban/ignore "pictures of people on railway tracks", then flickr should also hide/ban/ignore (just examples, not limited to:

- people on cliff edges
- people on highrise tops edges
- people climbing statues / monuments
- people bathing in historic fountains
- people leaning on or over ships railings
- Best: ban people's selfies at all....
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cnmark edited this topic 2 months ago.

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mcnod says:

lynnb's snaps:

What do you think?

I think this thread should be closed.
Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )

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Viejito says:

mcnod:

Defensible point, and it does answer OP’s question...
Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )

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Alan.Rust says:

Don't forget untied shoelaces or motorways / highways.
Posted 2 months ago. ( permalink )

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lynnb's snaps says:

cnmark:

Firstly this is not about selfies, it's about a photographer directing subjects to place themselves in dangerous positions during a portrait session.

I'm not suggesting Flickr ban pictures of people doing stupid or dangerous things at all. I saw a picture of an adult and child in the middle of railway tracks and wondered whether the photographer directing them understood the risk, and communicated it to the subject.

Maybe they all thought it was safe, but...

Please refer to the item in my OP that prompted my response. People think it's safe to take portraits on tracks they believe are not in current use and they still get hit by trains. This demonstrates people don't understand the risk when it comes to trains.

I'm suggesting that photographers taking portraits of people share responsibility for their safety. Subjects, especially children generally trust their photographer who is giving them direction, where to stand or walk, where to look, there's a conversation going on and everyone's focused on that.

On railway tracks those directions can result in serious injury or death while everyone's focused on making nice pictures. It happens. It even happened to a professional film crew making a movie, Midnight Rider.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Rider_(film)#Events_of_February_20,_2014

If it can happen to a professional film crew and a bunch of actors, it can happen to anyone making pictures on train tracks.

When taking portraits I wouldn't ask a mother and child to stand on the very edge of a high cliff. Nor would I ask them to walk down the middle of railway tracks. Some environments are inherently unsafe. I don't think pictures like those two examples should receive wide coverage on the 'safe' Flickr Explore platform. People look at Explore and think 'that's a nice photo, it's inspiring, I want to try something like that'.

Explore is different from the regular Flickr stream of millions of photos. It has vastly bigger reach and it inspires people. My question was whether such a picture should be in Explore, not that it shouldn't be published.

However, there's a lot of people who agree with your view and I respect but politely disagree. If I took such a picture under controlled conditions where I had permission and safety was guaranteed I still wouldn't want it Explored.

Cheers.
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Thomas Hawk says:

also what about pictures of people smoking, that kills a lot more people than trains, or pictures of alcohol which is killer too, or coca cola, or a photo of a big beautiful juicy cheeseburger, lots of things kill a lot more people than trains.

Also why stop at photos of people on tracks, aren't photos of trains themselves only encouraging people to go near the train tracks to take the pictures of the trains? You can't tell me people who take thousands of pictures of trains in their photostreams have never once stepped on a train track right? Maybe no more trains in Explore, or airplanes, or birds.

I'm joking of course.

Flickr should not be the photo police in this regard. Life has risks. We take them every time we get into an automobile. Unfortunately sometimes the unaware suffer accidents. Best to try to stay as aware as possible. Taking photos on train tracks is a manageable risk if one is aware. Thousands of photographers have done it successfully even if a few have not.
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hn. says:

"Should Explore algorithm ignore pictures of people on railway tracks"
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Yes.
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John Frattura says:

Aren't like 1000 x more people killed crossing roads than on train tracks? And 1000 x more photos taken of people posing on or near roads? There's probably nothing in the world more dangerous than automobiles, except maybe exploding sheep.
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CaptLarryS says:

Have you ever seen someone hit by a train? I have and it's not a pretty sight.
I think we need to dump more chlorine into the gene pool.
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The Bear Den Photography says:

lynnb's snaps:

On railway tracks those directions can result in serious injury or death while everyone's focused on making nice pictures. It happens. It even happened to a professional film crew making a movie, Midnight Rider.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Rider_(film)#Events_of_February_20,_2014


Read the full article. The film crew DID NOT have permission from the railway to be on the tracks. "Due to criminal negligence by the producers of the film, second assistant camerawoman Sarah Jones was killed when she was struck by a CSX freight train that arrived on the trestle."

Yes, it is stupid to take such photos, but then again, there are many other stupid and unsafe photos as others have mentioned above. Where do we draw the line? And how can we write an algorithm to "police" stupidity?

Life is full of risks, they just need to be managed so we can live to see another day.
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Daniel Krieger Photography says:

Hello I found your group from a Google Search on "Railway Tracks". I'm very excited to announce I just finished my first book (self published) called "The 100 best Railway Tracks photographs in America" if you check my Flickr stream you'll see some of the images going into the book. I'm very proud of this book, it's been a few years in the making and hope I can get some pre-orders from your Flickr group. Thank you!
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mag3737 says:

Let's have a moment of silence for 15+ year old Flickr accounts that have been overtaken by spammers who are bad at spamming.
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Nionyn_ says:

Thoughts and prayers...
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Flickr Staff

Melanie0426 says:

lynnb's snaps:

Thanks for everyone's contribution on this topic and for providing feedback about the content that is shared on Explore. We appreciate the concerns & echo the sentiment here that we encourage folks to prioritize safety.
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